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Overview
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Writers (WGA):
Scot Armstrong (screenplay) and
Leslie Dixon (screenplay) ...
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Release Date:
5 October 2007 (USA) more
Tagline:
Love blows more
Plot:
A newlywed man who believes he's just gotten hitched to the perfect woman encounters another lady on his honeymoon. full summary | add synopsis
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Cast
(in credits order) (complete, awaiting verification)
Directed by | |||
| Bobby Farrelly | |||
| Peter Farrelly | |||
Writing credits(WGA) | ||
| Scot Armstrong | (screenplay) and | |
| Leslie Dixon | (screenplay) and | |
| Bobby Farrelly | (screenplay) & | |
| Peter Farrelly | (screenplay) & | |
| Kevin Barnett | (screenplay) | |
| Bruce Jay Friedman | (short story "A Change of Plan") | |
| Neil Simon | (1972 screenplay) | |
Produced by | |||
| Matthew Aufdenspring | .... | associate producer | |
| Mark Charpentier | .... | co-producer | |
| John Davis | .... | executive producer | |
| Ellen Dumouchel | .... | associate producer | |
| Ted Field | .... | producer | |
| Marc S. Fischer | .... | executive producer | |
| Tony Lord | .... | co-producer | |
| Kris Meyer | .... | co-producer | |
| Hal Olofsson | .... | associate producer | |
| Joe Rosenberg | .... | executive producer | |
| Bradley Thomas | .... | producer | |
| Matt Weaver | .... | co-producer (as Matthew Weaver) | |
| Charles B. Wessler | .... | executive producer (as Charlie Wessler) | |
Original Music by | |||
| Bill Ryan | (music score by) | ||
| Brendan Ryan | (music score by) | ||
Cinematography by | |||
| Matthew F. Leonetti | (director of photography) | ||
Film Editing by | |||
| Alan Baumgarten | |||
| Sam Seig | |||
Casting by | |||
| Joseph Middleton | |||
| Rick Montgomery | |||
Production Design by | |||
| Sydney J. Bartholomew Jr. | (as Sidney Bartholomew) | ||
| Arlan Jay Vetter | (as Jay Vetter) | ||
Art Direction by | |||
| Amy Lee Wheeler | (uncredited) | ||
Set Decoration by | |||
| Cindy Carr | |||
Costume Design by | |||
| Louise Mingenbach | |||
Production Management | |||
| Emmanuel Cabare | .... | assistant production manager: Mexico | |
| Abby Callahan | .... | post-production supervisor (as Abigail Callahan) | |
| Arturo Del Rio | .... | unit production manager: Mexico | |
| Ricardo Del Río | .... | production supervisor: Mexico | |
| Heidi Erl | .... | production supervisor: San Francisco (as Heidi Anna Erl) | |
| Marc S. Fischer | .... | unit production manager | |
| Ernesto Garabito | .... | unit manager: Mexico | |
| Eric Hedayat | .... | production supervisor | |
| David Witz | .... | unit production manager: additional photography (uncredited) | |
Second Unit Director or Assistant Director | |||
| Renan Bendersky | .... | second assistant director: Mexico | |
| David Berke | .... | second second assistant director (as David Burke) | |
| Greg Guzik | .... | second assistant director | |
| Jose Jimenez | .... | first assistant director: Mexico (as Jose Abel Jimenez) | |
| Hal Olofsson | .... | first assistant director | |
| J.B. Rogers | .... | second unit director | |
| Sean Vawter | .... | second second assistant director: San Francisco | |
| Matthew Wilson Ross | .... | additional second assistant director | |
| Shea Farrell | .... | second second assistant director (uncredited) | |
| Alexander H. Gayner | .... | first assistant director: second unit (uncredited) | |
| Greg Guzik | .... | first assistant director: second unit (uncredited) | |
| Jonathan Sanchez | .... | second assistant director: second unit (uncredited) | |
| Geoffrey Sawyer | .... | second assistant director (uncredited) | |
| Geoffrey Sawyer | .... | second unit director (uncredited) | |
Sound Department | |||
| Steve Bartkowicz | .... | re-recording engineer | |
| David Boulton | .... | adr mixer | |
| Jeanette Browning | .... | adr recordist (as Jeannette Browning) | |
| Rick Canelli | .... | adr recordist | |
| Steve Cantamessa | .... | sound mixer | |
| Kerry Ann Carmean | .... | supervising foley editor (as Kerry Carmean-Williams) | |
| Krissopher Chevannes | .... | adr recordist (as Kris Chevannes) | |
| Patrick Cusack | .... | assistant sound editor | |
| Andrew DeCristofaro | .... | supervising sound editor (as Andrew De Cristofaro) | |
| David Esparza | .... | sound effects editor | |
| Brian Gallagher | .... | adr recordist | |
| Nerses Gezalyan | .... | foley mixer | |
| Jeff Gomillion | .... | adr mixer | |
| Laura R. Harris | .... | dialogue editor (as Laura H. Atkinson) | |
| Bobby Johanson | .... | adr mixer | |
| Doc Kane | .... | adr mixer | |
| Scott La Rue | .... | cable person (as Scott LaRue) | |
| Scott Millan | .... | sound re-recording mixer | |
| Christian P. Minkler | .... | sound re-recording mixer | |
| James Moriana | .... | foley artist | |
| Steve Nelson | .... | sound effects editor (as Steven F. Nelson) | |
| Nancy Nugent | .... | supervising dialogue & adr editor (as Nancy Nugent Title) | |
| Thomas J. O'Connell | .... | adr mixer | |
| Michael Payne | .... | supervising sound effects editor | |
| Michelle Pazer | .... | dialogue editor | |
| Stephen P. Robinson | .... | sound effects editor | |
| Philip Rogers | .... | adr recordist (as Philip Rodgers) | |
| Unsun Song | .... | re-recordist | |
| Greg Steele | .... | adr mixer | |
| John C. Stuver | .... | dialogue editor | |
| Bruce Tanis | .... | sound effects editor | |
| Jon Taylor | .... | sound re-recording mixer | |
| Gary Thomas | .... | boom operator | |
| Jon Title | .... | sound effects editor | |
| Jeffrey Wilhoit | .... | foley artist | |
| David Williams | .... | dialogue editor | |
| Greg Zimmerman | .... | adr recordist (as Gregg Zimmerman) | |
Special Effects by | |||
| Mark R. Byers | .... | special effects coordinator (as Mark Byers) | |
| Steven Carlton Ficke | .... | special effects foreperson (as Steven C. Ficke) | |
| Matt Prosser | .... | special effects technician | |
| Suma Adams | .... | seaming department: Alterian Inc. (uncredited) | |
| Dan Crawley | .... | special effects technician (uncredited) | |
Visual Effects by | |||
| John Baker | .... | CG artist: Furious FX | |
| Thad Beier | .... | technical supervisor: Hammerhead Productions | |
| Floyd Burks | .... | imaging technician: Technicolor Digital Intermediates (as Floyd A. Burks) | |
| Bryan Chavez | .... | CG artist: Furious FX | |
| Andy Chua | .... | data technician: Technicolor Digital Intermediates | |
| Daniel Chuba | .... | executive producer: Hammerhead Productions (as Dan Chuba) | |
| Christine Cram | .... | paint artist: Furious FX | |
| Erin M. Cullen | .... | rotoscope artist: Furious FX (as Erin Cullen) | |
| Jamie Dixon | .... | visual effects supervisor: Hammerhead Productions | |
| Scott Dougherty | .... | executive producer: Furious FX | |
| Michelle Eisenreich | .... | visual effects producer: Hammerhead | |
| Ashley Farber | .... | data technician: Technicolor Digital Intermediates | |
| Justin Jones | .... | compositing: Hammerhead Productions | |
| John Kearns | .... | digital restoration: Technicolor Digital Intermediates | |
| Paulina Kuszta | .... | visual effects coordinator | |
| Dan Levitan | .... | compositing: Hammerhead Productions | |
| David Lingenfelser | .... | executive visual effects supervisor: Furious FX | |
| Kevin Lingenfelser | .... | creative supervisor: Furious FX | |
| LaNelle Mason | .... | digital restoration: Technicolor Digital Intermediates | |
| Mamie McCall | .... | compositing: Hammerhead Productions | |
| Daniel Mellitz | .... | compositing: Hammerhead Productions | |
| Fatima Mojaddidy | .... | system administrator: Hammerhead Productions | |
| Erin L. Nelson | .... | digital restoration: Technicolor Digital Intermediates | |
| James P. Noon | .... | tracking | |
| Sean O'Connor | .... | compositor: Furious FX | |
| Ron Perez | .... | data technician: Technicolor Digital Intermediates | |
| Chris Serenil | .... | computer services manager: Furious FX | |
| Mark Shoaf | .... | CG supervisor: Furious FX | |
| Tiffany Smith | .... | visual effects producer: Furious FX (as Tiffany A. Smith) | |
| Brad Sutton | .... | digital restoration: Technicolor Digital Intermediates | |
| Tracy Takahashi | .... | visual effects producer: Furious FX | |
| Wilson Tang | .... | digital restoration: Technicolor Digital Intermediates | |
| Sam Dabbs | .... | titles (uncredited) | |
| Anthony Davis | .... | digital compositor: Technicolor Digital Services (uncredited) | |
| Shaina Holmes | .... | digital compositor (uncredited) | |
| Nicholas Kim | .... | digital compositor (uncredited) | |
| Karen M. Murphy | .... | visual effects (uncredited) | |
Stunts | |||
| Jonathan Arthur | .... | stunts | |
| William H. Burton Jr. | .... | stunts (as Billy Burton Jr.) | |
| Corey Michael Eubanks | .... | stunts (as Corey Eubanks) | |
| Greg Fitzpatrick | .... | stunt double: Ben Stiller | |
| Gina Mari | .... | stunts (as Gina Jensen) | |
| Gary Price | .... | stunts (as Gary Night Price) | |
| Betsy Rue | .... | stunts (as Besty Rue) | |
| Steve Schriver | .... | stunts | |
| Antonio Lewis Todd | .... | stunts (as Antonio Todd) | |
| Frank Torres | .... | stunts | |
| Michael Trisler | .... | stunts | |
| Dain Turner | .... | stunts | |
| Tierre Turner | .... | stunt coordinator | |
| Sabine Varnes | .... | stunts | |
| Scott Wilder | .... | stunts | |
| Steve Schriver | .... | stunt double: Danny McBride (uncredited) | |
Animation Department | |||
| Ron Leidelmeijer | .... | digital color assistant: Technicolor Digital Intermediates | |
Casting Department | |||
| Sara Bachelder | .... | background casting: Mexico | |
| Deanna Brigidi | .... | casting associate | |
| Leslee Feldman | .... | casting executive | |
| Toby Guidry | .... | casting assistant | |
| Barbara Harris | .... | voice casting | |
| Chadwick Struck | .... | casting associate | |
| Jorge Valdés García | .... | background casting: Mexico (as Jorge Valdes) | |
| Nicole Abellera | .... | casting associate (uncredited) | |
| Stefan A. Anderson | .... | extras casting assistant: Mexico (uncredited) | |
| Michele Berumen | .... | casting assistant (uncredited) | |
| Jennifer Cram | .... | casting assistant (uncredited) | |
Costume and Wardrobe Department | |||
| Lucinda Campbell | .... | costume supervisor | |
| Judy Feil | .... | costume supervisor: San Francisco | |
| Kathleen Giordano | .... | costumer: San Francisco | |
| Kelly Gregson | .... | costumer | |
| Marylou Lim | .... | costumer | |
| Alison McCosh | .... | assistant costume designer (as Alison Mccosh) | |
| Andrea Napier | .... | costumer (as Andrea Michelle Napier) | |
| David Page | .... | costumer: Mr. Stiller | |
| Dalhia Schuette | .... | costumer | |
| Ivory Stanton | .... | costume ager/dyer | |
| Jennifer Starzyk | .... | costumer | |
| Wendy Willis | .... | costumer | |
| Stacy Caballero | .... | costumer (uncredited) | |
| Alyssa Kim | .... | costumer (uncredited) | |
Editorial Department | |||
| Tim Belcher | .... | digital intermediate producer: Technicolor Digital Intermediates | |
| Gary Burritt | .... | negative cutter | |
| Cameron Duddy | .... | post-production assistant | |
| Shaun Paul Gordon | .... | post-production coordinator (as Shaun Gordon) | |
| Andrew Greenbury | .... | apprentice film editor | |
| Scott Gregory | .... | digital film colorist: Technicolor Digital Intermediates | |
| Andy Kaplan | .... | digital intermediate producer: Technicolor Digital Intermediates | |
| Michael Pedraza | .... | post-production assistant | |
| David Raymond | .... | first assistant editor | |
| Chris Regan | .... | color timer | |
| Michael Reilly | .... | post-production assistant | |
| Simon Scott | .... | post-production assistant | |
| Everette Webber | .... | digital intermediate editor: Technicolor Digital Intermediates (as Everette Jbob Webber) | |
| Matt Willard | .... | post-production assistant (uncredited) | |
Music Department | |||
| Fernand Bos | .... | music editor | |
| Manish Raval | .... | music supervisor | |
| Tom Wolfe | .... | music supervisor | |
| Mark Agostino | .... | music playback operator (uncredited) | |
Thanks | |||
| Severino Gomez | .... | the producers wish to thank | |
| Christopher Greenbury | .... | dedicated to (as Chris Greenbury) | |
| Mark Harmon | .... | the producers wish to thank | |
| Casey Landi | .... | dedicated to | |
| Caroline MacDonald | .... | the producers wish to thank (as Caroline Macdonald) | |
| Michael S. Meldman | .... | the producers wish to thank (as Michael Meldman) | |
| Renata Mohar | .... | the producers wish to thank | |
| Raymond Neary | .... | dedicated to | |
| Sergio Ruiz | .... | dedicated to: in memory of our great friend, who was a joy to be around during the making of this movie | |
| J.B. Turbidy | .... | the producers wish to thank | |
| Richard K. Wright | .... | dedicated to (as Richard Wright) | |
Production CompaniesDistributors
- DreamWorks SKG (2007) (worldwide) (all media)
- Paramount Pictures (2007) (USA) (theatrical)
- United International Pictures (UIP) (2007) (Argentina) (theatrical)
- United International Pictures (UIP) (2007) (Peru) (theatrical)
- United International Pictures (UIP) (2007) (Sweden) (theatrical)
- United International Pictures (UIP) (2007) (Singapore) (theatrical)
- Universal Pictures International (UPI) (2007) (Switzerland) (theatrical)
- Universal Pictures International (UPI) (2007) (Germany) (theatrical)
- Universal Pictures International (UPI) (2007) (Netherlands) (theatrical)
- Argentina Video Home (2008) (Argentina) (DVD)
- Argentina Video Home (2009) (Argentina) (DVD) (Blu-ray)
- DreamWorks Home Entertainment (2007) (USA) (DVD)
- Kadokawa Entertainment (2009) (Japan) (DVD)
- Paramount Home Entertainment (2008) (UK) (DVD)
- Paramount Home Entertainment (2008) (Netherlands) (DVD)
- Alterian (special make-up effects)
- Furious FX (visual effects and animation)
- Hammerhead Productions (visual effects)
- Technicolor Digital Intermediates (opticals) (A Technicolor company)
- Custom Film Effects (opticals)
- Lund Background Pictures (translite backgrounds)
- Art In Motion production services provided by (as Art In Motion - Mexico, S.A. De C.V.)
- Asics the producers wish to thank
- Asociación Nacional de Actores (ANDA) with the collaboration of: Los Cabos, Mexico (as Asociacion Nacional de Actores, A.N.D.A.)
- Beau Bonneau Casting background casting: San Francisco
- California State Park System the producers wish to thank (as California State Parks)
- Casting Valdés extras casting: Mexico
- Chapman/Leonard Studio Equipment camera dollies by
- Chapman/Leonard Studio Equipment cranes
- Chileno Bay Club the producers wish to thank
- City of San Francisco the producers wish to thank
- Cletus Catering catering and craft service: Mexico
- Comisión Nacional De Filmaciones the producers wish to thank (as Comision Nacional De Filmaciones - Mexico)
- County of San Francisco the producers wish to thank
- Custom Film Effects opticals
- El Dorado Golf and Beach Club the producers wish to thank (as El Dorado Golf Course)
- Entertainment Clearances rights and clearances
- Esperanza - An Auberge Resort the producers wish to thank (as Le Esperanza, an Auberge Resort)
- Fraccionamiento Punta Ballena the producers wish to thank
- Gala Catering caterer: Los Angeles
- H. Ayuntamiento de Los Cabos the producers wish to thank
- International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees (IATSE) this picture made under the jurisdiction of (as I.A.T.S.E.®)
- J.L. Fisher camera dollies by
- Kodak motion picture film
- Otto Nemenz International cameras by (as Otto Nemenz)
- Packair Airfreight the producers wish to thank: customs broker [US]
- Plan R Soundtracks soundtrack available on
- Right Lobe Design Group title design
- Rockbottom Rentals cell phone rentals
- Rockbottom Rentals modem card rentals
- Rockbottom Rentals nextel cell phone rentals
- Runway post-production
- Section 49 of Sindicato de Trabajadores de la Industria Cinematográfica (STIC) with the collaboration of: Los Cabos, Mexico (as Sindicato de Trabajadores de la Industria Cinematografica, Seccion 49 S.T.I.C.)
- Show Bizz the producers wish to thank: customs broker [Mexico] (as Showbizz)
- Smith & Webster-Davis Casting background casting (as Smith & Webster Casting)
- State Government of Baja California Sur the producers wish to thank
- Technicolor Digital Intermediates digital intermediate by (A Technicolor Company)
- Technicolor Digital Intermediates opticals
- Todd-AO Radford re-recording services provided by
Additional Details
Also Known As:
Seven Day Itch (USA) (working title)
Untitled Farrelly Brothers Project (USA) (working title)
La mujer de mis pesadillas (Argentina) (Mexico) (Peru) [es]
Les femmes de ses rêves (Belgium: French title) (France) [fr]
7 meres fagoura (Greece) (DVD title) [el]
Agyõ, nagy õ! (Hungary) [hu]
Antes Só do Que Mal Casado (Brazil) [pt]
Epta meres fagoura (Greece) [el]
Le brise-coeur (Canada: French title) [fr]
Lo spaccacuori (Italy) [it]
Matrimonio compulsivo (Spain) [es]
Mesinädalad kahe naisega (Estonia) [et]
Nach 7 Tagen - Ausgeflittert (Germany) [de]
O Mal Casado (Portugal) [pt]
Sekaisin suhteessa (Finland) [fi]
Sipsevdi (Turkey: Turkish title) [tr]
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MPAA:
Rated R for strong sexual content, crude humor and language.
Parents Guide:
Runtime:
116 min
Country:
Color:
Aspect Ratio:
2.35 : 1 more
Sound Mix:
SDDS | DTS | Dolby Digital
Certification:
Netherlands:12 | Canada:16+ (Quebec) | Canada:18A (Alberta/British Columbia/Manitoba/Ontario) | UK:15 (cut) | UK:18 | Germany:12 | USA:R (Approved No. 43638) | Portugal:M/12 | Singapore:R21 | Switzerland:14 (canton of Geneva) | Switzerland:14 (canton of Vaud) | Taiwan:R-18 | Argentina:13 | Finland:K-13 | Australia:MA | Peru:14 | New Zealand:R16 | Sweden:11 | Malaysia:U | France:Unrated | Philippines:R-13 (MTRCB) | South Korea:18 | Ireland:15 (video rating) | Ireland:16 (cut) | Italy:VM14 | Brazil:16 | Iceland:12
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Trivia:
Eddie's father, Doc, is played by Jerry Stiller, Ben Stiller's father in real life. more
Goofs:
Factual errors: Miranda tells Eddie that she coaches the women's lacrosse team at Ole Miss, a.k.a. The University of Mississippi. Ole Miss does not have a women's (or men's) lacrosse team. more
Quotes:
Eddie Cantrow:
Hey, uh, do you think you could tell me where I could find Uncle Tito?
Tito:
Yes. Uh, may I ask who's inquiring?
Eddie Cantrow:
Yeah, my name's Eddie Cantrow and I'm a friend of a friend of his. I'm supposed to give him something.
Tito:
I'm sorry to tell you this, but he no longer works here. He's actually in jail, serving six to ten years. He was caught having cock-fights. And I'm not speaking about the kind of rooster.
Eddie Cantrow:
Oh.
Tito:
Screw off! I'm joking, man! C'mon! I am Uncle Tito.
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Movie Connections:
References The Perfect Storm (2000) more
Soundtrack:
Queen Bitch more
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How the mighty have fallen! The Farrely Brothers once upon a time were the kings of comedy, with a string of hits under their belts and some laugh out loud movies that included Dumb and Dumber and There's Something About Mary, they were truly unstoppable. Then something happened, they suddenly made flops, or at least disappointments. Stuck On You in my mind is where this all began, uneven comedies that while having some good moments were just so unmemorable it was unbelievable. I never saw The Ringer, I didn't agree with the subject matter hence why I didn't watch it, but I was actually really looking forward to The Heartbreak Kid. The trailer made me laugh and it looked like a return to Mary territory. I went into this movie expecting a short, light hearted comedy with some hilarious moments. I came out bored to tears, having only laughed a few times and feeling really cheated and also very disappointed. The Heartbreak Kidis unfortunately a big flop and is definitely the Brothers weakest movie to date in my mind. This wouldn't bother me if everything about the movie was unbelievably awful, but the most frustrating thing is that there are moments in this movie that are genuinely brilliant. The storyline itself is great, the characters are great, the tone is right, so where the hell did it go some damn wrong? My guess is that studio interference has a large part to play. The gross out Farrely humour just does not gel with the sweet romance story at the centre of it all. Also the movie is way too long and the script way too uneven for this to be a good movie. This may not be the worst movie of the year in my eyes but its certainly one of the most frustrating. Ben Stiller is great, Malin Akerman is superb, there are scenes and ideas that are brilliant, the ending is pitch perfect, yet everything else is just so poorly executed!
So lets start with the cast which admittedly is the most consistently decent thing in the movie. Ben Stiller is on a return to form in this movie, after a few cameos here and there and a phoned in performance in Night in the Museum he finally seems at ease. In fact this is arguably his best work in my eyes since Dodgeball, not hard when you see his recent line of work. His natural easy going charm works in this movie and makes a potentially unlikable character, and actually at times his character remains very unlikable, just a bit more tolerable. A shame then the script gives him little comedy to work with, that is until a priceless psychotic breakdown over a Mexican band, which is one of the few highlights of the movie. The true star of the movie however is Malin Akerman as the psychotic Lila. Akerman seems to have a blast as the mad, former junkie, in debt, clingy, neurotic wife from hell. However I found something very strange while watching this movie, I actually felt sorry for Lila for a lot of the film. Sure when she's having sex and beating the hell out of her husband its hard to feel sorry for her, but when Ben Stiller is cheating on her its kind of sad. Whether or not this is intentional or not is debatable however. Michelle Monaghan definitely drew the short straw of the group in a role that is pretty pointless and just too unoriginal for me to give a damn about.
The humour of the movie and the unevenness of pace is definitely where the Heartbreak Kid literally breaks. The movie does start off quite well, sure its not classic but its amusing. In fact the start of the honeymoon is relatively funny, but then about the halfway mark the movie just gives up all hope and dies. The jokes dry up, the romance and sentimentality factor kick in and the eyes start to droop. Despite some decent one liners the movie just doesn't make an effort any more. You find yourself not caring anymore, you couldn't care if Eddie stays with Lila or not, you just want the movie to end. And then the film drones on and on and on. And then when you think you have an ending it suddenly does something else. Thankfuly the unexpected ending lifts things up slightly, but the standard beforehand is so low it doesn't redeem the movie. In fact take out the brilliant Mexican band running joke, the amusing sunburn bit, the few sex scenes and a couple of one liners this would struggle its already low 5/10 rating.
The Heartbreak Kid is really a movie I cannot recommend as it is way too disappointing. The cast do an admirable job with little material and the idea is there. A better movie is probably underneath this wretched turd somewhere, but unfortunately for now this movie remains just another lame addition to the Farrely brothers already struggling CV. The Farrely brother may have once been the kings of gross out comedy, but in an age when we have Knocked Up and Superbad, maybe its time they gave up and tried something else.